I think that Dorian is the sinner because he has lived his entire life committing sins and he has never tried to fix the mistakes that he has made. I would not consider him the victim because he has influenced and ruined the lives of many people who he once considered his friends. His portrait shows all the sins he has committed and even though it doesn't show on his face, his soul is old and evil because of the way he has lived his life.
I think that while Lord Henry is the temptation, Dorian is both the sinner and the victim. Dorian gives in to Lord Henry so much and has so much that was attributed by Lord Henry's influence and temptation. Dorian is definately the sinner as well, as seen by his portrait. I think a big point of Oscar Wilde's message is the fact that others can see our soul, although it may not be on a portrait, but it is seen by the way you act, treat others, and live your life. As we are all people who sin, I think Dorian is the sinner who fell under the temptaion, or Lord Henry.
I believe Dorian is all 3 of those. He was once the and still is the victim of what Lord Henry has shown and taught him. Though it's Dorians fault for listening he is still a victim in this sense. He's also the temtation, Dorian has ruined many younger peoples lives such as Adrian Singleton and Sibyl. Dorian's looks lure and tempt while he seems to use them in a more then dishonorable way. Last Dorian is a sinner, he has become a sinner learned from Henry himself. Dorian acts without regret or remorse, he has little if no care about what his actions to do others or what they make others do. Dorian is temptation, sin, and a victim. A tragic hero non-theless.
I think he's all three. He was the tempation to Henry because of his captivating beauty but Henry's attraction to him made him Henry's victum. Henry took this innocent sweet niave man and created a monster, he changed him; Dorian no longer was greatful for anything but beauty, he saw the world as a terrible place and he was no longer free, he was then enslaved to Henry. I also think he's the sinner because he was the victum. Dorian fell victum to Henry and as a result he changed drastically but this change made him the sinner he now is. The dorain at the start of the book (what little we saw of him) would never curse a painting or throw away a beautiful woman or murder a beloved friend but Henry turned him into that sinner. Through Dorian's journey he has been a tempation to Henry and vitum to henry and a sinner to all in the end.
I believe Dorian is the sinner because he is the one making all the poor choices, like killing Basil. He has always had free will. He has had the ability to make the choices all through the book. He is not a victim because of that. He isn't the temptation because he hasn't forced anyone to do anything. He is the sinner due to his choices.
I think that Dorian is mainly the sinner. He has made many poor choices, all on his own free will. Yes, he has been influenced and not by the best people, but they can't force him to do what he has done. And because of free will, he can't really be the victim, he could have easily taken himself out of certain situations that have made him the person he is today.
I think Dorian is the sinner because of his past and present. He has commited awful sins and hasn't even tried to pull it behind him and actually try to fix things. He has made this choices on his own free will and maybe has been influenced by others but he is still the person who is commiting these sins. He could atleast try to "be good" but still has not so I think that Dorian is the sinner.
I think that Dorian is the sinner. Every person is constantly being tempted by some sort of sin. A sinner gives into this temptation. You cant blame your sin on the temptation if he was a good person he would make the right choice and not give into it.
I agree with John in the sense that Lord Henry plays the part of the Temptation, because he is the one who introduced Dorian to the hedonist lifestyle that has led to the selfish, holier-than-thou Dorian we know at this point in the book. Dorian is the Sinner and the Victim due to the fact that he is the one committing the crimes (like kyle's comment on friday about the man who gives someone a gun and the one who pulls the trigger) but he is also the victim of negative influence from Lord Henry.
Dorian is a little bit of each, but mostly he is the sinner. He tempts others to sin and he was influenced by other sinners, but ultimately he needs to take responsibility for his actions and realize that he is a bad person. He bribes and threatens others, he negatively effects others, and he has cause multiple deaths. Temptation and negative influence are simply contributors to his overall sinful nature.
I think that Dorian is a sinner because of all the wrong doings he has done in the novel so far, he has made one person kill them self and murdered another .he tempts others in the novel to sin as well and he is easily influenced.
I believe that Dorian is not one of the three, but rather, he embodies all three at different points in the book. His opium addiction and glamorous lifestyle suggests giving into temptation and thus being temptation. He is undoubtedly the sinner, and he is also (as many are) the victim of his own poor and rash choices. I don't think Oscar Wilde intended him to embody just one metaphorical undertone...as instead he is many.
Dorian is totally the sinner in my opinion. Temptation never really gets puinished in literature that we have read and since Dorian gets punished he has to be the sinner. Lord Henry in my mind represents temptaion in the fact he fills Dorian's mind with ideas and those convince Dorian to act in a certain manner.
I think that Dorian is the sinner because of he influences people to do all the wrong things so far in the book. So far I think it is mainly because of he is so obsessed with his own painting "melting" but that is getting out of the way now and you can start to see his true colors of evin and making others sin with him.
I beleive Dorian is the victim of himself. I say this because Dorian is basically 3 different people. He has 3 different personalities of how he is preceived. As Anthony D said, the painting of him is melting and the true evil is being shown. So Dorian basically is collapsing and showing people that he cant keep it together.
I think Dorian is a little bit of each of them. As temptation, he stands for that in the way that people are drawn to him and will do anything to be around him. When he meets people, they are so engrossed in his looks and the mysteriousness behind him, that they can't help but like him. For the sinner, it is obvious. Through the book he completes sins that the reader doesn't really hear about. We can just suspect that they are bad. We know what his picture looks like and we can only infer that something bad went down for it to look as bad as it does. And as for the victim, he was caught into the tailspin of Henry's life. Henry was able to persuade and make Dorian think whatever he wanted to. Henry had a way about his tone and the way he would state things that people would listen to them and take everything seriously, especially young innocent Dorian.
If I were to choose whether Dorian is a sinner or not I would Have to agree and say he's a sinner because he has gone though his life so far being mean and disrespecting other people. He also was hugely influnced by lord Henry and that attributes to Dorian being a sinner instead of being a victim.
Dorian is definately the sinner. I don't know how he could be the victim. He has made the decisions to be sinful and ruin others lives. The point is that no one else forced Dorian to sin. Lord Henry may have influenced him but he still made the decisions to be bad. He also made the wish for his portrait to grow old instead of him. another choice. You can feel sorry for someone without him being the victim. I feel bad that Dorian made the decisions he made but don't make excuses for him. He chose his path therefore he cannot be the victim.
I think Dorian is the sinner in the book because it says he's disrepected others and treated others poorly. The portrait of him is fair in what he is depicted as because he gets what he deserves. He doesn't deserve the sympathy for a victim.
I think that Dorian is all three. I think that he is the temptation because of his negative influence on other people. We don't hear much about it, but it is always alluded to that Dorian is corrupting others. I think he is the sinner for a similar reason and more. Not only does he negatively impact those around him, but he also lies and murders. He does not live his life in a pure way. Finally, I think he is the victim because of Lord Henry's influence. Had Lord Henry not taught Dorian to be evil and malicious, he would not have led such an impure life.
I think that Dorian is the sinner because he has lived his entire life committing sins and he has never tried to fix the mistakes that he has made. I would not consider him the victim because he has influenced and ruined the lives of many people who he once considered his friends. His portrait shows all the sins he has committed and even though it doesn't show on his face, his soul is old and evil because of the way he has lived his life.
ReplyDeleteI think that while Lord Henry is the temptation, Dorian is both the sinner and the victim. Dorian gives in to Lord Henry so much and has so much that was attributed by Lord Henry's influence and temptation. Dorian is definately the sinner as well, as seen by his portrait. I think a big point of Oscar Wilde's message is the fact that others can see our soul, although it may not be on a portrait, but it is seen by the way you act, treat others, and live your life. As we are all people who sin, I think Dorian is the sinner who fell under the temptaion, or Lord Henry.
ReplyDeleteI believe Dorian is all 3 of those. He was once the and still is the victim of what Lord Henry has shown and taught him. Though it's Dorians fault for listening he is still a victim in this sense. He's also the temtation, Dorian has ruined many younger peoples lives such as Adrian Singleton and Sibyl. Dorian's looks lure and tempt while he seems to use them in a more then dishonorable way. Last Dorian is a sinner, he has become a sinner learned from Henry himself. Dorian acts without regret or remorse, he has little if no care about what his actions to do others or what they make others do. Dorian is temptation, sin, and a victim. A tragic hero non-theless.
ReplyDeleteI think he's all three. He was the tempation to Henry because of his captivating beauty but Henry's attraction to him made him Henry's victum. Henry took this innocent sweet niave man and created a monster, he changed him; Dorian no longer was greatful for anything but beauty, he saw the world as a terrible place and he was no longer free, he was then enslaved to Henry. I also think he's the sinner because he was the victum. Dorian fell victum to Henry and as a result he changed drastically but this change made him the sinner he now is. The dorain at the start of the book (what little we saw of him) would never curse a painting or throw away a beautiful woman or murder a beloved friend but Henry turned him into that sinner. Through Dorian's journey he has been a tempation to Henry and vitum to henry and a sinner to all in the end.
ReplyDeleteI believe Dorian is the sinner because he is the one making all the poor choices, like killing Basil. He has always had free will. He has had the ability to make the choices all through the book. He is not a victim because of that. He isn't the temptation because he hasn't forced anyone to do anything. He is the sinner due to his choices.
ReplyDeleteI think that Dorian is mainly the sinner. He has made many poor choices, all on his own free will. Yes, he has been influenced and not by the best people, but they can't force him to do what he has done. And because of free will, he can't really be the victim, he could have easily taken himself out of certain situations that have made him the person he is today.
ReplyDeleteI think Dorian is the sinner because of his past and present. He has commited awful sins and hasn't even tried to pull it behind him and actually try to fix things. He has made this choices on his own free will and maybe has been influenced by others but he is still the person who is commiting these sins. He could atleast try to "be good" but still has not so I think that Dorian is the sinner.
ReplyDeleteI think that Dorian is the sinner. Every person is constantly being tempted by some sort of sin. A sinner gives into this temptation. You cant blame your sin on the temptation if he was a good person he would make the right choice and not give into it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with John in the sense that Lord Henry plays the part of the Temptation, because he is the one who introduced Dorian to the hedonist lifestyle that has led to the selfish, holier-than-thou Dorian we know at this point in the book. Dorian is the Sinner and the Victim due to the fact that he is the one committing the crimes (like kyle's comment on friday about the man who gives someone a gun and the one who pulls the trigger) but he is also the victim of negative influence from Lord Henry.
ReplyDeleteDorian is a little bit of each, but mostly he is the sinner. He tempts others to sin and he was influenced by other sinners, but ultimately he needs to take responsibility for his actions and realize that he is a bad person. He bribes and threatens others, he negatively effects others, and he has cause multiple deaths. Temptation and negative influence are simply contributors to his overall sinful nature.
ReplyDeleteI think that Dorian is a sinner because of all the wrong doings he has done in the novel so far, he has made one person kill them self and murdered another .he tempts others in the novel to sin as well and he is easily influenced.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Dorian is not one of the three, but rather, he embodies all three at different points in the book. His opium addiction and glamorous lifestyle suggests giving into temptation and thus being temptation. He is undoubtedly the sinner, and he is also (as many are) the victim of his own poor and rash choices. I don't think Oscar Wilde intended him to embody just one metaphorical undertone...as instead he is many.
ReplyDeleteDorian is totally the sinner in my opinion. Temptation never really gets puinished in literature that we have read and since Dorian gets punished he has to be the sinner. Lord Henry in my mind represents temptaion in the fact he fills Dorian's mind with ideas and those convince Dorian to act in a certain manner.
ReplyDeleteI think that Dorian is the sinner because of he influences people to do all the wrong things so far in the book. So far I think it is mainly because of he is so obsessed with his own painting "melting" but that is getting out of the way now and you can start to see his true colors of evin and making others sin with him.
ReplyDeleteI beleive Dorian is the victim of himself. I say this because Dorian is basically 3 different people. He has 3 different personalities of how he is preceived. As Anthony D said, the painting of him is melting and the true evil is being shown. So Dorian basically is collapsing and showing people that he cant keep it together.
ReplyDeleteI think Dorian is a little bit of each of them. As temptation, he stands for that in the way that people are drawn to him and will do anything to be around him. When he meets people, they are so engrossed in his looks and the mysteriousness behind him, that they can't help but like him. For the sinner, it is obvious. Through the book he completes sins that the reader doesn't really hear about. We can just suspect that they are bad. We know what his picture looks like and we can only infer that something bad went down for it to look as bad as it does. And as for the victim, he was caught into the tailspin of Henry's life. Henry was able to persuade and make Dorian think whatever he wanted to. Henry had a way about his tone and the way he would state things that people would listen to them and take everything seriously, especially young innocent Dorian.
ReplyDeleteIf I were to choose whether Dorian is a sinner or not I would Have to agree and say he's a sinner because he has gone though his life so far being mean and disrespecting other people. He also was
ReplyDeletehugely influnced by lord Henry and that attributes to Dorian being a sinner instead of being a victim.
Dorian is definately the sinner. I don't know how he could be the victim. He has made the decisions to be sinful and ruin others lives. The point is that no one else forced Dorian to sin. Lord Henry may have influenced him but he still made the decisions to be bad. He also made the wish for his portrait to grow old instead of him. another choice. You can feel sorry for someone without him being the victim. I feel bad that Dorian made the decisions he made but don't make excuses for him. He chose his path therefore he cannot be the victim.
ReplyDeleteI think Dorian is the sinner in the book because it says he's disrepected others and treated others poorly. The portrait of him is fair in what he is depicted as because he gets what he deserves. He doesn't deserve the sympathy for a victim.
ReplyDeleteI think that Dorian is all three. I think that he is the temptation because of his negative influence on other people. We don't hear much about it, but it is always alluded to that Dorian is corrupting others. I think he is the sinner for a similar reason and more. Not only does he negatively impact those around him, but he also lies and murders. He does not live his life in a pure way. Finally, I think he is the victim because of Lord Henry's influence. Had Lord Henry not taught Dorian to be evil and malicious, he would not have led such an impure life.
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